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Hello there and welcome to Captivate Insider.
Gary:This is episode number 25.
Gary: hrough your podcast goals for: Gary:Remember back when we first relaunched this podcast, it was back in, I think the first episode was the 3rd of January.
Gary:So around that time in the first episode, or at least the first few, I told you then to write down all of your podcast goals that you wanted to achieve for this year.
Gary:So make sure that you've got that list somewhere and that you are referring back to it so that you can make the changes that you need to do or do some extra stuff or make some some tweaks to get your podcast rocking and rolling.
Gary:But make sure you refer to your list.
Gary:You should all have your list of stuff and goals that you want to do for this year, whether that be increase the number of people listening to your episodes.
Gary:If you want to build your email list, if you want to improve how you market your podcast, if you want to start to monetize your podcast and look into things like Patreon and all that kind of stuff, make sure that you're tweaking that list and certainly putting in a bit of extra work if you need to, or taking your foot off the gas, whatever you need to do to make sure your podcast is amazing.
Gary: As you get to the end of: Gary:Make sure you've got a list and no worries if you didn't do that list back in January.
Gary:This is a nice good halfway point in the year to get a list rocking and rolling of all the things that you want to get done.
Gary:My name's Gary, I'm the head of design here at Captivate.
Gary:I'm your host and each week I chat to a member of our team, go behind the scenes and see what we're up to and chat about some of the features we've got coming up in the pipeline and just some general podcast industry news and commentary as well as some tips and tricks on how to use PerCaptivate to power your podcast and anything else to do with podcasting.
Gary:This week we are talking about podcast interviews and more specifically being an interviewee on a podcast.
Gary:So if you do a search for tips and tricks or advice or help on podcast interviews, nine times out of ten you will see guides and articles and content etc around you, being the interviewer.
Gary:So you, as a podcast owner, as a content creator, interviewing somebody and tips on how to get that rocking and rolling.
Gary:There isn't as much on you being interviewed on somebody else's podcast.
Gary:There's some stuff out there, of course, but generally speaking, the tips and advice are geared towards being the interviewer and my guest on this week's episode from our team, she's been on loads of podcasts.
Gary:She's guested on plenty of different podcasts.
Gary:She's a very, very experienced podcaster herself, but even in the last week, I think she's appeared on two or three different shows, as well as Captor Insider.
Gary:So I'm joined this week by Sarah McDowell.
Gary:She's our SEO manager.
Gary:And we're going to have a talk around how you prepare to be interviewed, the difference between interviewing and being interviewed, and what the different vibes are with that.
Gary:Some tips on what you should do if even if you are being interviewed and you feel like the interview is sort of dipping a little bit and what can you do to pick that back up and so on.
Gary:And then we're also going to touch on.
Gary:On something that plagues the best of us at times, which is a crappy feeling imposter syndrome as we.
Gary:As we get into that subject.
Gary:And again, how you can try and overcome that and put your best foot forward when you are being interviewed.
Gary:So, without further ado, here's my chat with Sarah.
Gary:Enjoy.
Gary:Hello, and welcome to Captivate Insider.
Gary:This is my interview for episode number 25.
Gary:And welcome back to Captivate Insider.
Gary:It's our SEO manager.
Gary:It's Sarah.
Gary:How you doing, Sarah?
Sarah:Hello.
Sarah:Hello.
Sarah:I'm very good.
Sarah:How about yourself?
Gary:I'm very well, thank you.
Gary:Hello.
Gary:Hello.
Gary:Yes.
Sarah:Hello.
Sarah:Hello.
Sarah:You've got to do the eyebrows at the same time.
Gary:Okay.
Gary:Yep.
Gary:Yeah, our listener can't see that, but, yeah, that was embarrassing.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:But I guess all of our listeners are now doing lollo with their eyebrows, so, you know, that's what I wanted.
Gary:Good.
Gary:There's now lots of people doing that on the train somewhere or in the office looking really silly.
Gary:So how have you been, dude?
Gary:How's things?
Sarah:I'm really good, thank you.
Sarah:So, yeah, got a bit stranded.
Sarah:Got a bit stranded.
Sarah:I got stranded in Italy last week, so I was on annual leave and EasyJet decided to cancel our flights home.
Sarah:So that was all fun.
Sarah:Fun and games, wasn't it?
Sarah:But we got back and, yes.
Sarah:So I've been back at work for nearly a week now, so it's good to be back Getting my teeth sunk into projects and what have you.
Sarah:So, yeah, that's cool.
Gary:Yeah.
Gary:It's always nice being away, having a break.
Gary:We all need that.
Gary:That's really important that we all get rested and whatnot.
Gary:But, yeah, there's also a little part of.
Gary:I don't know if you're like this, but there's a little part of me that's normally like, this has been great and all, but, yeah, I do want to get stuck into something with work now.
Gary:Yeah.
Sarah:That just means you love your job, Gary.
Gary:Well, yeah.
Gary:Yeah.
Gary:Probably should look at it that way.
Gary:Yeah.
Gary:Instead of just.
Gary:Instead of just being bored and want to do something.
Gary:But no, in all seriousness, I do love my job.
Gary:Yes.
Sarah:Okay.
Sarah:It is good here at Captivate.
Gary:It's rather good.
Gary:Yes.
Gary:Okay.
Gary:So welcome back.
Gary:Glad you're not stranded anymore.
Gary:What a shame.
Gary:Oh, no.
Gary:Oh, yeah.
Gary:I'm in Italy.
Gary:I'm gonna have to stay here another.
Gary:I'm really sorry.
Gary:I'll stay here another day.
Sarah:I mean, crap, I know worst places to be stranded.
Gary:Yes, yes.
Gary:So the.
Gary:The theme then, for this week's episode is we are talking about being interviewed on a podcast.
Gary:And as I waffled a little bit in the intro, there's always loads of material and content and guides and tips and everything.
Gary:Whenever you do a search for being interviewed or interview on a podcast, it's normally around you interviewing somebody.
Gary:So as the podcast owner or the content creator and you're having someone on your show, it's generally advice on how you do that stuff.
Gary:There's not as much on you being the interviewee and you being the guest on someone else's show and so on.
Gary:So I thought, as you've got loads of experience with that and you've guessed it on plenty of podcasts yourself, and you've got all that nicely tied up in a nice little podcast.
Gary:Debo.
Gary:There you go.
Gary:Experience checked.
Gary:It'd be great to chat to you about that stuff.
Gary:So we're going to dive straight in.
Gary:The first one is a bit of history then.
Gary:So when did you first appear on.
Gary:When did you first guest on someone's podcast?
Gary:And were.
Gary:Were you a bit nervous in the run up?
Gary:A bit apprehensive?
Sarah:So the first time I appeared as a guest on someone else's podcast was shortly after I launched my very first podcast, so SEO SES Podcast.
Sarah:So obviously that opened the door because I've got a podcast myself, people were listening and finding it, so I started to get asked to be on other people's podcasts.
Sarah:Which was amazing.
Sarah:Very flattering.
Sarah:So I think.
Sarah:Yeah, so talking a few years ago now, but obviously there was a mixture of feelings because you are nervous.
Sarah:It is the fear of the unknown, but there is also excitement.
Sarah:So, yeah, very much mixed emotions about it.
Sarah:So, yeah, yeah, it's always.
Gary:It's all once.
Gary:Weird's not the right word.
Gary:It's.
Gary:It's a.
Gary:It's an interesting feeling.
Gary:In the run up to that very first one, I remember when I first got asked to go on to a podcast and I was absolutely myself in the run up to that.
Gary:It was.
Gary:Yeah, because it was a.
Gary:It was a decent one as well.
Gary:So the first.
Gary: who, and I've done that since: Gary: nk it was at the beginning of: Gary:And I was like, oh, God.
Gary:And something sort of hit me as well.
Gary:We'll come on to that subject a bit later.
Gary:But yeah, something hit me.
Gary:I was like, why do they want to talk to me?
Gary:What's that about?
Gary:Why do they want my thoughts on this stuff?
Gary:So I.
Gary:I'm very much with you on that one.
Gary:It's very mixed.
Gary:You're kind of pumped because you're excited.
Gary:You want to get into it because it's like, yay, someone's asked me to be on a show.
Gary:It's amazing.
Gary:But at the same time it's like, not sure about this one.
Gary:So, yeah, it's a very mixed one.
Gary:But in the run up to the interview then.
Gary:So as I mentioned, there's lots of content online around helping people.
Gary:People to interview other people on your show.
Gary:But it's a very different.
Gary:It's very different Vi.
Gary:When you're sitting on either side of the desk.
Gary:So I don't know if you've done that yourself, whether you've had people on your show and you've been the interviewer.
Gary:I mean, I've done that quite a few times on, on several podcasts that I've run over the years.
Gary:And it's such a different vibe.
Gary:It's a very.
Gary:Do you know what I mean?
Gary:It's.
Gary:So during the interview, as an interviewer, your responsibility is to drive that forward and make sure that the conversation is flowing at Questions are in the right place and brief enough that I'm very much not doing now that as you're asking the questions that they're brief enough that you give the other person time to sort of stretch their legs a bit with that stuff.
Gary:But what do you prefer then?
Gary:Do you prefer being an interviewer or the interviewee?
Sarah:This is an interesting question and I'm going to do so.
Sarah:There's always a joke in SEO that we answer every question with.
Sarah:It depends because it flipping well does.
Sarah:It does depend.
Sarah:But for me, I would say I feel more relaxed as the interviewer because that is my safety net.
Sarah:I, because I've done that for a few years now, I've done many different interviews with many different people from across the globe.
Sarah:I kind of feel more sort of safe doing that, if safe is the right word.
Sarah:Because I feel like when you are an interviewee, you have less control, don't you?
Sarah:You are a guest, someone else's show, aren't you?
Sarah:So I actually feel more relaxed when I'm interviewing other people because I feel like I have control.
Sarah:I know the structure.
Sarah:I'm, I'm leading the conversation.
Sarah:I know what I'm going to edit.
Sarah:I know.
Sarah:Do you know what I mean?
Sarah:So I just, I feel like for me, I am a lot more relaxed.
Sarah:Like you say, there are things that you've got to be mindful of and you need to make sure that the conversation is going in the right way, that you're not going over time, that it's interesting that you're covering all the points, that, so there's lots of stuff that you got to think about.
Sarah:But I think because I've done more interviews as an interviewer, this is hard to get my head around saying the right thing.
Sarah:I feel more at ease on that side of thing.
Gary:Okay.
Gary:Okay.
Gary:Yeah, it's interesting.
Gary:I've got a slightly different, yeah, my view is, is slightly different to that in that I think I'm the other way around slightly.
Sarah:Although interesting.
Gary:Yeah, I see what you're saying.
Gary:So for me, I, I do like having the, the control, like you said, of running a podcast interview and knowing the structure and you know how to do that stuff based on your own, obviously your own experience with your own show.
Gary:So you know how it works and you know, especially if you're monetizing and you know where you want to put your, your little pauses for your, your mid roll ads and you know all that stuff.
Gary:But there is a part of me as well that's like I like just having the responsibility off my shoulders for a bit and just, you know, having somebody fire questions at me and I can just relax a little bit and not have to worry about, oh, am I thinking about the next question already?
Gary:Have I given them enough space to answer?
Gary:You know, am I interrupting them?
Gary:Is this working?
Gary:There's, as an interviewer, there's.
Gary:I think there's more things that are juggling around, more plates spinning in your head.
Gary:Does that make sense?
Sarah:Yes, definitely.
Sarah:And I completely get what you mean because when you are, it's like hosting a dinner party, isn't it?
Sarah:Like if you are a guest at some, a din party.
Sarah:And I can actually give that as an example now because Covid restrictions, we are having dinner parties again.
Sarah:But yeah, like if you're hosting it, yes, you're in your surroundings, it's in your house, you've got control.
Sarah:But yeah, you've got to make sure that everything's right.
Sarah:And so it's exactly the same with when you've got someone on your podcast.
Sarah:But I suppose the only thing that I would add to if I'm being interviewed, I just worry that the right message is coming across, that I'm coming across well, that I'm giving the right answers to the questions.
Sarah:So I suppose that's the bit that gets me a bit nervous because I feel like, oh, I'm the expert here, do you know what I mean?
Sarah:Like I don't.
Sarah:You just end up thinking stupid stuff, don't you?
Sarah:And I think again, we'll go into that more later.
Sarah:But I.
Sarah:It's a bit of self doubt, I suppose sometimes it creeps in.
Sarah:That makes it a little bit nerve wracking.
Gary:Yeah, for sure.
Gary:Especially when you get answered.
Gary:You get asked a question and it kind of throws you for a bit.
Gary:Have you ever had that where you're on a.
Gary:You're on a show and some people ask you something and if that same person had asked you that question outside of an interview situation, just in the pub or something, there would be no hesitation.
Gary:You'd have answered the question, had a laugh, everything would have been fine.
Gary:But for me, there are those odd moments where somebody asked me something and I'm like, uh, yeah, yeah, that's a good one.
Gary:Yeah, just give me and some.
Gary:Yeah, so that's the only thing that kind of throws me a wee bit.
Gary:Other times I'm just like, yeah, cool, you go and have the rest.
Gary:You go and cook the dinner, I'll just sit at the table and eat it.
Gary:It's all good.
Gary:So, yeah, I get what you're saying with that.
Gary:So based on that then how do you prepare?
Gary:So you know you've got an interview coming up.
Sarah:Yeah.
Gary:How do you prepare?
Gary:Any tips for someone like listening today or whenever you're listening to this episode, you've been booked onto a podcast yourself and in the run up to that, what do you do to make sure that your best foot's forward when you're recording?
Sarah:Love this question.
Sarah:So there's a couple of things that I would do to prepare.
Sarah:First things first, listen to some podcast episodes beforehand.
Sarah:Get familiar with the structure, with the format, what sort of vibe they've got.
Sarah:Just make sure, don't go into it not knowing or not listening to anything prior because that is the worst thing that you can do.
Sarah:So just spend some time doing some digging and listening to some episodes beforehand.
Sarah:Something that I like to do is make sure that I get questions sent to me beforehand.
Sarah:So that's something that I'm really mindful of with my guests on my shows, is that they're getting questions so then they can best prepare.
Sarah:And sometimes, sometimes depending on the interview and how the conversation is going, you might not get through all the questions or there might be new questions, but at least then you both have got a structure, you both know where you're going.
Sarah:And also you've got points that you know that you want to cover and say in your answers.
Sarah:I'm a bit like a magpie and I see shiny stuff so my brain can go all over the place.
Sarah:Whereas if I've got pointers that help me steer my conversation, then my answers are going to be much better.
Sarah:I'm gonna.
Sarah:Yeah, my message is gonna come across.
Sarah:Check your equipment is working beforehand.
Sarah:So obviously if you've got a setup that you know that works, you've used it for a good few times, it's still worthwhile checking it, isn't it?
Sarah:But yeah, just make sure that.
Sarah:Oh, if I close, are you still there?
Sarah:Yeah, sorry, we can cut that out.
Sarah:Something popped up on my screen and I pressed the close button and then you disappeared.
Sarah:But anyway, continuing, check your equipment.
Sarah:I mean apt that that happens when I'm talking about checking your equipment.
Sarah:Enjoy.
Sarah:Remember to enjoy yourself as well.
Sarah:Like we do these things for fun.
Sarah:If you're having fun and you actually wanting to be there, it will come across in your voice and as you're talking to that person and be fully prepared that things can go wrong.
Sarah:There's human error, like things technology, things happen.
Sarah:Like you've told everyone in your household that you're recording a podcast, yet they still decide to start playing their steel drums really loudly.
Sarah:Do you know what I mean?
Sarah:Like, there's always things that can go wrong, but the greatest thing about a podcast is it can be edited.
Sarah:Do you know what I mean?
Sarah:So it's not.
Sarah:It's not live unless you're live streaming it, of course.
Sarah:But most of the time, podcasts are there to be edited.
Sarah:So, yeah, things go wrong, it can be edited out.
Gary:That's a good point.
Gary:Yes.
Gary:Yeah.
Gary:Some great tips.
Gary:Now, I want to re.
Gary:Emphasize one of them and also add one to that list.
Gary:So make sure that you enjoy.
Gary:That's such an important one, you know, because I think we all get swept up and preoccupied mentally with making sure that our answers are going to be spot on and make sure everything's cool and we're coming across as we want to be perceived, you know, to the interviewer and the listeners of that particular podcast.
Gary:But sometimes that can detract a little bit from why you're actually there in the.
Gary:Like you said, it's there to.
Gary:You're there to enjoy yourself and have a good time.
Gary:So.
Gary:And then one just to add to the list is that when you're.
Gary:When you are the interviewee, 99% of the time, you will get asked the question.
Gary:So tell us a little bit about you.
Gary:Tell us a bit about how you got into X or how did you do Y, that sort of thing.
Gary:That question is probably the most common, I think, for any interviewee.
Gary:So like Sarah said, in terms of if you can try and get the question sent over to you beforehand so you can make a little bit of prep for that, not too much.
Gary:You don't want to be too clinical, but just make sure you've got sort of an idea in your head.
Gary:But that particular question, try and have that one rehearsed a little bit.
Gary:I know it sounds weird, but I've listened to many podcasts where someone's been asked that question and I'm asleep 15 minutes later because they're like, yes.
Gary:And then I went to a different college after that, and then we went to this other one, and then I bought my first microphone and, you know, it tends to go on for ages.
Gary:So have that question kind of rehearsed roughly and try and keep it to a minute or two.
Sarah:Can I add another one to your additional one?
Gary:Shoot.
Gary:Yeah.
Sarah:I put my hand up.
Sarah:Not that people can see.
Sarah:I got another one.
Sarah:So normally as well, at the end of a podcast episode, they'll ask, oh, so how can people get in touch with you?
Sarah:How can they carry on the conversation?
Sarah:So many times I forget what my Twitter handle is.
Sarah:I mean, it's information just goes from you, like how many times you forget your PIN number.
Sarah:Do you know what I mean?
Sarah:How many times you forget your mobile number.
Sarah:These things that we know in that moment, some questions throw us, like we said earlier.
Sarah:So along with your practice short bio, make sure that you have listed those like your social media handles and where people can find you and the things that you want to promote.
Gary:Indeedy.
Gary:Yes.
Gary:And before we move on, this is just a nice, a nice shameless plug for Captivate here.
Gary:So part of our guest booking platform that you can use within Captivate, there's a section within the episode planning stuff where you can add as well as add all of your guests or you know, as if somebody is doing the interview and they send you the information through Captivate.
Gary:There's also a nice section in there where you can add a load of notes, basically, that doesn't appear, they won't appear in your final show notes when it gets distributed.
Gary:But as you're recording, you can have all of your notes there.
Gary:So you can put all that stuff in there.
Gary:So it gives you a little, a little, a little nod if you, if you forget anything.
Gary:So yeah, the guest booking platform and the episode planning feature within Captivate will help you with that stuff.
Sarah:Smooth plug.
Gary:I'm doing, doing this for a while now.
Gary:Moving on.
Gary:So, and you said this was a good question.
Gary:So scenario, you're on an interview and you feel like this is great and all, but I just feel like the, the interview's dipping a little bit.
Gary:There's some awkward silences here and there.
Gary:My questions are not really landing.
Gary:The interviewer's like, okay, onto the next question.
Gary:It just doesn't quite feel like it's sort of going anywhere or it's any good.
Gary:So any advice on what to do as the interviewee in that situation then?
Sarah:This is such a good question and a bit of a head scratcher because, yeah, this, this is such a hard situation.
Sarah:And first things first, you don't want to offend that other person, do you?
Sarah:You don't want to be like, call them out and be like, look what's going on.
Sarah:This is dropping.
Sarah:You don't want to make enemies, do you?
Sarah:But the only.
Sarah:It is hard, isn't it?
Sarah:Because what can you do in that situation?
Sarah:And I think the only things that you can really do is being yourself and try, like being authentic and Try, if it's in your personality to be jokey, try and do that.
Sarah:Be yourself.
Sarah:Share an experience that is fun, that it's going to like, uplift the, the conversation, ask a question to the interviewer.
Sarah:So maybe you can switch things up by getting them to think and then when they answer a question, then maybe you can back and forth off that.
Sarah:So I don't know if that really answers the question.
Sarah:I don't know what you would say to this one.
Sarah:Like other things that you could really do.
Gary:That does answer it.
Gary:Yeah, that's, that's cool.
Gary:So be yourself.
Gary:Yeah, exactly.
Gary:Just try and inject your, your own personality into what's happening.
Gary:So it doesn't sound as, as dry and as forced, if you like.
Gary:Because there are two trains of thoughts that.
Gary:One, the first one is the person who's interviewing you.
Gary:They might be fresh into this.
Gary:You don't know, you know.
Gary:Well, if you've done a bit of research, you should.
Gary:But, you know, if this is a brand new episode and they're like three episodes in and it's their first podcast ever, and then they're getting people on their show, chances are they're very new to it.
Gary:So they're nervous as well and they're inexperienced with pushing an interview.
Gary:But I think it comes down to.
Gary:The second thing is it's very similar to what I think TV broadcasters and everybody had training like back in the day.
Gary:Maybe they still do it now.
Gary:I don't know where you're interviewing somebody and you just don't.
Gary:You just avoid the dead space.
Gary:So anytime that you can pick up on that, if you can feel there are, there are long pauses between questions and answers and it just feels like it's, it's really dragging.
Gary:Then like you said, use your personality and just say something.
Gary:It doesn't matter what it is, just say something.
Gary:And a good trick that you can use is to fire that question back to that person in that dead space.
Gary:So if they've just said to you, you know, what's your favorite color?
Gary:And you said, oh, you know, as a designer, the color wheel, you know, equals blah, blah, blah.
Gary:If you know that there's a pause coming because that's been the vibe of the interview for the last five, 10 minutes, then just say something like, and also, Timothy, what do you think?
Gary:Too?
Gary:Blah, blah, blah, what do you think?
Gary:Try and get them, try and pull them into the interview and the conversation a little bit as well, because it can be a little bit rough with that.
Sarah:Yes, definitely, definitely.
Gary:Just say something it doesn't matter.
Sarah:Banana hammock.
Sarah:There you go.
Gary:Yes.
Gary:Banana hammock's a great one called Beans.
Gary:And so it really can be.
Gary:And the thing is, it sounds stupid.
Gary:Honestly, it sounds stupid.
Gary:But you've just done it now, so if it.
Gary:If you're on an interview, obviously, if you want to, you have to judge this, please.
Gary:Captivate listener.
Gary:If you're on a certain podcast and you're talking about something sensitive or something that's, you know, relatively serious, you don't just want to drop in the banana hammock because you're going to sound weird, but just feel the vibe of the room.
Gary:It's not a room.
Gary:You know what I'm trying to say.
Gary:Feel that.
Gary:Feel.
Gary:Feel what's going on and just say something.
Gary:If it's a very serious podcast, if you're talking about some kind of experience with people's medical conditions or, you know, if they're grieving or it's that kind of personal podcast, then you can still do that, but just do it in a more tactful way and try and just read the vibe a little bit.
Gary:No banana hammocks on those ones.
Gary:So does it get easier over time?
Gary:Dude.
Gary:So once you've done this for a while, does it become less intimidating?
Sarah:Practice makes perfect.
Sarah:Age old saying.
Sarah:So if I compare the first podcast episodes where I was being a host or an.
Sarah:An interview guest, I am much better now.
Sarah:Like, you progress, you develop, you do get better.
Sarah:Because your skills, just the more times you do something, the more times you, like, try something or you're.
Sarah:You're developing your skills, you are going to get better.
Sarah:So you're always going to have nerves, and it's good to have nerves.
Sarah:I think it's if.
Sarah:If you're ever getting to a place where you're being asked to be on a podcast show and you're not getting nerves, you're not getting feelings whatsoever, then that's a bit of a weird place to be because you can use those nerves, can't you?
Sarah:And it's good energy.
Sarah:It's just about sort of combating them.
Sarah:And yeah, and it does get easier over time because you get better at answering questions, you get better at knowing pauses, you get better at putting your message across.
Sarah:Like, yeah, it does get easier.
Gary:It does.
Gary:Yeah, it definitely does.
Gary:And I think you will always have that.
Gary:I think anybody that does anything in front of a crowd or in front of somebody for a living or if they've done it plenty of times will tell you that it does get Easier.
Gary:But then, like you said, the nerves should never dissipate.
Gary:They should never.
Gary:If you just waltz into something just 100 cool as a cucumber and you know, you're probably not passionate enough about what you're talking about, you know, that kind of thing.
Sarah:Yeah.
Gary:Now, don't get me wrong, there's probably the odd person that's just.
Gary:They were born to do it and they just never feel nerves or anything like that.
Gary:They're just totally cool.
Gary:That's obviously cool.
Gary:We're not saying that you're not passionate about that thing, if that's your natural kind of way of thinking, of course.
Gary:But for the mere mortals among us, you know, the general folk, it does get a bit easier.
Gary:But there is one thing, this is a good subject that I'm glad that you wanted to include in this one.
Gary:There is one thing that does come back at you in waves, I think is the best way to describe this subject.
Gary:It's not a.
Gary:Well, I don't know.
Gary:It depends.
Gary:For me, at least.
Gary:Anyway, this subject hits me, it comes in a wave and then it goes for a while and then it comes back and it goes for a while.
Gary:I don't know about you, Sarah, but.
Gary:And that is this feeling of imposter syndrome.
Gary:And it's such a big.
Gary:It's such a big thing that is widespread across everything.
Gary:Not just podcasters, not just our industry, but most things, especially creative people or anything like that.
Gary:It's a real pain in the.
Gary:In the beep.
Gary:So this is.
Gary:We could do a whole podcast episode on just this subject.
Gary:But in order to just sort of top line it, if you've got any help to.
Gary:For somebody that is feeling that way, especially in the run up to a podcast interview, because it can, you know, it can hit you like a brick wall sometimes.
Gary:You know, it can stop you in your tracks, definitely.
Sarah:So my tips and advice, because I suffer with imposter syndrome, like, still do, and like you say, it comes, comes and goes, light waves, it like hides for a bit and then it comes out and.
Sarah:Yeah.
Sarah:So it's always gonna be there.
Sarah:It's always gonna be lurking into the background.
Sarah:My first tip is to actually lean into that feeling because imposter syndrome is a good thing because it means that you are out of your comfort zone.
Sarah:You are trying something new that's not familiar to you.
Sarah:You're doing something, it's pushing yourself.
Sarah:So it's a good feeling to have that imposter syndrome because.
Sarah:Because you're.
Sarah:You're developing yourself, you're pushing yourself, like, and that's what we should be doing.
Sarah:We should be, like, not staying in the safety net, but we should be going out and trying stuff and, yeah, definitely pushing ourselves and doing things that don't feel too familiar with us, because that's the only way that you're going to grow as a.
Sarah:As a person, whether that's in your career or personally or whatever.
Sarah:It is a good thing.
Sarah:Also, be kinder to yourself, right?
Sarah:You have either been asked to be on a podcast or you've been accepted.
Sarah:So they obviously trust you.
Sarah:They trust what you're saying.
Sarah:They want you to come on their podcast because if they didn't, you wouldn't be there, right?
Sarah:So be kinder to yourself.
Sarah:You've got this.
Sarah:Get yourself a cheerleader.
Sarah:This hound.
Sarah:A bit of a weird one, but I was.
Sarah:This topic comes up quite a lot because I've talked about it on podcast shows that I've done in the past.
Sarah:I've talked about it on other people's podcasts, but one lady that I was speaking to, Christy Plantinga, she's based in America and she has her own SEO agency specifically for therapists, I think it is.
Sarah:But she said one of the big things that's helped her is getting herself a cheerleader.
Sarah:So whenever she feels down or whenever she feels like she can't do something, she reaches out to a person or a group of people and it's just like, look, I need someone to be my cheerleader right now.
Sarah:Can I do this?
Sarah:And of course they're going to say, yes, yes, you can.
Sarah:And, and you need that.
Sarah:You need someone to be there with the metaphorical pom poms.
Sarah:I'm doing my pom poms and Gary's looking at me like, what you doing, sir?
Sarah:But, yeah, get yourself a cheerleader and then prepare.
Sarah:Okay, so this leads back to my earlier episode.
Sarah:My earlier point, not episode thinking podcasts, but prepare for the podcast episode.
Sarah:Find the evidence, find the stats, facts to back up what you're saying, because that's only going to help you know that what you're saying is true.
Sarah:And you can even sort of reference that evidence as well.
Sarah:So, yeah, don't.
Sarah:If you've got anything to add there.
Gary:Gary, there are some great ones there.
Gary:Dude, I think the only.
Gary:Yeah, so the, the, the main one for me out of your list there is to remember why you've been asked to be on there in the first place.
Gary:You know, somebody wouldn't ask you to come onto their show if they felt like you didn't have a voice about that subject or that niche or that whatever it is, it just wouldn't happen.
Gary:Like, I wouldn't invite somebody onto one of my podcasts just randomly and, you know, it just wouldn't happen.
Gary:So just really.
Gary:I know it's very easy for someone to say that, but really try and remind yourself of that.
Gary:You know, you're being asked on there for.
Gary:You're being asked for a reason.
Gary:You know that they want to hear your.
Gary:Your take on.
Gary:On whatever their podcast is about or both of your podcasts are about.
Gary:The only other thing I would add is to try and get into the habit of.
Gary:Very similar to what you said about leaning into it and your comfort zone, and that is trying to put a different frame around your feelings on that stuff.
Gary:So it's very similar to when you're feeling nervous or scared about something.
Gary:You're.
Gary:It can be like.
Gary:Like you said, a voice in your head that won't.
Gary:That won't shut up after a little while, and it can.
Gary:It can really sort of derail you and so on.
Gary:So if you.
Gary:But if you think about that from just a human perspective, it's exactly the same emotion if, as if you were at a fairground or a theme park and you're about to go on a roller coaster, you feel that same nervousness and that fear.
Gary:But the only difference is you're willingly putting yourself in to do that.
Gary:It's exactly the same feeling that those nerves, because that imposter syndrome has got into your head and now you're feeling nervous and so on.
Gary:So just try and get into the habit of putting a different frame around it.
Gary:Just frame it in a way like, okay, this is cool.
Gary:Like you said, lean into it.
Gary:It's exactly the same feeling as that.
Gary:Now I'm just going to compartmentalize it, I think.
Sarah:Yeah.
Gary:And just put it away in a box.
Sarah:Something to add to that as well is that it's often the fear.
Sarah:The thought of something is normally ten times scarier than actually doing it.
Sarah:And, I mean, there's probably some psychological reason, like with your brain.
Sarah:I don't know.
Sarah:Not gonna admit that.
Sarah:I'm not gonna say that I'm a.
Sarah:I get the brain and stuff.
Sarah:But I suppose my point is that if.
Sarah:If you don't know what to expect and you haven't had this experience before or, I don't know, something's new, of course you're gonna fear that unknown, aren't you?
Sarah:But every time that I've done something new, the Thought of it is always way, way scarier than the actually do the actual doing it.
Sarah:Like, some things you'll try, you don't like.
Sarah:Some things you try, and you absolutely love it.
Sarah:And nine times out of ten, I.
Sarah:The times where I've had a new experience, Touch wood.
Sarah:Now I've.
Sarah:I've come.
Sarah:I've come away buzzing like, oh, my God, I'm really glad I did that.
Sarah:I'm really glad that I tried that new experience.
Sarah:But also, on the flip side, if you've tried something, you didn't like it or it didn't work out or for whatever reason, you know, don't you, like, you don't want to be.
Sarah:Gonna have a really profound moment here, but on your deathbed, I know it's getting a bit morbid, but you don't want to be ever thinking, oh, I wish I did that.
Sarah:I wish I knew what it was like to do that.
Sarah:Like, the more things that you say yes to, the more times you get outside your comfort zone, you're gonna try stuff, you're gonna love stuff, you're gonna hate stuff.
Sarah:Life is like Marmite.
Sarah:There we go.
Sarah:There's the caption for this podcast episode.
Gary:Crikey, we went deep there, Sarah.
Gary:Do we need a moment to reflect, a reflection period?
Gary:Yes.
Gary:Yeah.
Gary:You're going to get an invite.
Gary:Drop in your inbox now.
Gary:Some psychology podcast is going to have you on, Talk about that stuff.
Gary:Yes.
Gary:That's great stuff, dude.
Gary:And it does sound deep.
Gary:It does sound, and it is quite profound.
Gary:But sometimes you do need to dig deep sometimes when.
Gary:Especially when it grabs hold of you and you don't see a way out.
Gary:Grab your cheerleader, as you said earlier.
Gary:Get on the phone, text somebody.
Gary:Just say, look, I'm a.
Gary:I'm on this podcast tomorrow, and I feel like, beep.
Gary:You know, please help me out.
Gary:Bff, whatever you got, you know, and just do whatever you can.
Gary:Frame it differently.
Gary:Talk to your cheerleader, do whatever you can, and absolutely agree, dude.
Gary:The thought of it is always worse.
Gary:It's like the first day, a new job, first day at a new school.
Gary:Yeah.
Gary:My son is doing his work experience basement this week, and on Monday morning, he was like, dad, I'm beeping myself.
Gary:I really don't want to do this.
Gary:I'm like, dude, at the end of today, you'll be like, that wasn't that bad at all, I promise you.
Gary:But you can't feel that way prematurely.
Gary:You just have to force yourself through it.
Gary:And at the end of the day, lo and behold, he's like, that was really cool.
Gary:That was really good.
Gary:So definitely think about it that way.
Gary:Definitely.
Sarah:Definitely.
Gary:Yes.
Gary:Okie dokie.
Gary:Last question.
Gary:Any closing pointers or tip to anyone that's got an interview coming up?
Gary:Dude, what should they do just to round this off?
Sarah:Okay, I'm going to end on a point that I said earlier and just enjoy it.
Sarah:Enjoy yourself.
Sarah:Yeah, like, remember to breathe, don't talk too quickly and just enjoy your time.
Sarah:Have a, have a nice little chit chat.
Sarah:Do you know what I mean?
Sarah:Just, just enjoy it because that's why, hopefully that's why you said yes to being on this podcast show.
Sarah:Because it's something that you enjoy and it's something that you're passionate about or there's something that you really want to talk about because you really want to.
Sarah:You really want to get into it.
Sarah:So just enjoy it.
Sarah:And remember, remember, remember what you're passionate about, why, why you're wanting to go on the podcast in the first place, what the topic is that you want to discuss, whether it's something that you're really passionate about, like Star wars, maybe there's like something like.
Sarah:Do you know what?
Sarah:Just enjoy yourself.
Sarah:That would be my ending statement.
Gary:Oh, nice, man.
Gary:Yeah, just enjoy yourself.
Gary:Yeah, don't be nervous.
Gary:Don't be nervous at all.
Gary:It's all good.
Gary:We get nervous all the time.
Gary:We've been doing it for ages, so.
Sarah:Yeah, exactly.
Gary:Oh, some great stuff there, dude.
Gary:What a great episode.
Gary:That's.
Gary:It's been really cool to dig into your, into your very clever brain and get your thoughts on that stuff.
Gary:So.
Gary:Yeah, thank you so much, dude.
Gary:It's been great chatting about that stuff and we'll have you on again soon, I'm sure.
Sarah:Amazing.
Sarah:I very much enjoyed my time with you today, Gary.
Gary:Cool.
Gary:Right, we'll take care of you.
Gary:Catch you later.
Sarah:Bye.
Gary:Thank you so, so much, Sarah.
Gary:That was an awesome chat.
Gary:She's, like I said before that interview, she is so experienced with that stuff, appearing on, on podcasts and making sure that her answers and everything, she's prepared and she's researched the subject matter and where it concerns imposter syndrome.
Gary:That's a big subject that's close to Sarah's, Sarah's heart.
Gary:She.
Gary:She suffers with that herself.
Gary:I suffer with that from time to time.
Gary:The best of us, even some of the podcasts that you listen to that are getting millions of downloads and quote unquote, are the pro podcasters.
Gary:Trust me when I say that they all suffer with that at some point or another.
Gary:So you are not alone when when you or if you start to feel that way.
Gary:So thank you very much Sarah.
Gary:That was very cool.
Gary:A really cool insight into your thoughts on being interviewed on podcast.
Gary:Thank you so much for your tips and your help as well.
Gary:I'm sure our listener will find that very helpful the next time that they get asked to be to be a guest on someone's podcast.
Gary:That was episode 25.
Gary:Thank you so much for coming back listening to Another Week, Another Episode here at Captivate Insider.
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